Financial Independence – Live Laugh Love Do http://livelaughlovedo.com A Super Fun Site Wed, 03 Dec 2025 19:07:51 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 How To Overcome Travel Guilt As a Stay-at-Home Parent http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/how-to-overcome-travel-guilt-as-a-stay-at-home-parent/ http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/how-to-overcome-travel-guilt-as-a-stay-at-home-parent/#respond Thu, 27 Nov 2025 19:13:56 +0000 http://livelaughlovedo.com/how-to-overcome-travel-guilt-as-a-stay-at-home-parent/ [ad_1]

I was talking to a full-time mother the other day, and she was pissed. Her full-time working husband was heading out on yet another business trip. It was his third week-long trip that month, and she was over it. Their two kids missed their father, and she didn’t think all the travel was truly necessary, even if it was for work.

After all, we all went through COVID, and everything worked out just fine with video conferencing. She felt he was choosing to travel more than he needed to, mainly for the fun of it and to get a break from the kids.

That conversation got me thinking about the tension that builds in households where one parent stays home and the other goes to work. I feel it too. Every time I debate attending a conference versus preserving a precious weekend with my wife and children, the internal pull is real. With my two kids now in school full-time, the weekends matter even more. So I haven’t gone to a conference yet.

The Challenge of Being a Stay-at-Home Father

Given I’m a man, I’m going to write this post from a father’s perspective. But it is just as relevant for mothers too.

Men are trained from a young age to provide. Even if nobody acknowledges the work, we continue showing up. We feed, protect, teach, drive, fix, support, and problem solve through every stage of our children’s lives.

Being a father requires intrinsic motivation. You cannot expect, let alone crave recognition for a job well done, because nobody cares. Nobody asked you to be a father, and society doesn’t do a good job in appreciating a man’s efforts when it comes to the family.

Gus Fring, from Breaking Bad, sums up one version of what it takes to be a man today. Is it any wonder why so many men opt out of marriage and fatherhood?

Gus Fring, Breaking Bad, a man provides speech
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Being a full-time parent can be so demanding that some parents actually crave the structure of work just to get a break from parenthood. There’s no off switch with full-time parenting. One distracted moment can lead to disaster.

So after years of pickups, drop-offs, cooking meals, teaching skills, and spending weekends away from friends, how do you let go of the guilt when you finally take a break? How do you give yourself permission to leave your family behind for a little personal leisure?

You start by comparing yourself to other parents, and follow a new framework I’ve created, in true American nerd fashion.

Step One: Compare Yourself to the Average Dad (Or Mom)

When you become a stay-at-home father, you lose touch with the rhythms of normal working dads. Once your children enter school and you start meeting other parents, the contrast becomes obvious.

Most fathers are working full time. Supposedly, the average dad spends just 60 to 80 minutes a day with their children. I know, it’s hard to believe, but that’s what the data says.

In contrast, a stay-at-home fathers spends anywhere from 8 to 24 hours a day, depending on the age of the children and the occupation of their partner.

Average time a parent spends with their children a day in the U.S., UK, Canada, France, Germany, Denmark, broken down by mothers and fathers with university degrees and non university degrees

Do the math:

If you spend 12 hours a day caring for your child during the first three years, while the above-average dad spends about two, you’re putting in six times more daily time. In terms of total hours invested, those three years equal roughly 18 years of parenting time for the average dad.

In other words:

You are not falling behind by taking a break. You are still years ahead.

Give yourself permission to rest. You have earned it.

Step Two: Ask Other Dads (Or Moms) About Their Travel Schedules

Now that you know the general amount of time the average dad (or mom) spends with their children a day, it’s time to get granular. Just like how real estate is local, father time also depends by region. And you want to compare your efforts to your immediate peers.

Therefore, you must ask as many dads (or moms) you know about their work hours and travel schedules to understand how you compare. Here are some examples that I came across.

  • One dad was gone for two weeks on the East Coast, then a dad’s golfing trip for four days, then a week in Asia. He was away for almost a month in six weeks.
  • Another travels two weeks every month for work.
  • Another travels to Europe, Asia, and the Middle East for about a month a quarter to fundraise.
  • Finally, another dad says he flies to NYC twice a year for a week to kiss the ring and hope to get promoted. On top of that, he sees clients around the country once a month for three-to-four days.

My Estimated Annual Travel Schedule If I Was Still Working

If I was still working in finance, I would probably travel to Asia two-to-four times a year for 14 – 28 days. I’d probably also travel domestically for five days a month to see clients for a total of 74 – 88 days away for work. Wow, that’s a lot if I wanted to give everything to my job and climb to the highest ranks.

After having children, I’d have to imagine I would limit my Asia trips to just twice a year for 20 days max. Then, maybe I’d send my junior colleague to see clients every other month to cut down my total domestic travel to 30 days. Although 50 days away from family a year still sounds like a lot, it seems much more reasonable than 74 – 88 days away!

Step Three: Build Travel or Time-Off Credits

Once you understand how much other parents travel for work, both from the top down and bottom up, you can start building “credits” for every trip you skip and every day you stay home.

This year, for example, there was a dad trip to another state. It ran from Thursday through Sunday, and my wife was totally fine with me going. But I skipped it. We had a parent–teacher conference on Friday from 10 a.m. to 1:20 p.m., and I wanted to meet all eight teachers we had scheduled.

I also wanted to use the weekend to teach my kids tennis through Daddy Day Camp. Public court access in San Francisco is tough, so Friday afternoon after the conferences was prime time to get out there.

By skipping that four-day trip, I built enough “credit” to take a more meaningful six-day trip to Honolulu to surprise my father for his 80th birthday. I still felt guilty leaving my family, but far less than if I had gone on the dad’s boondoggle. I also put in extra time with the kids during those four days, even while feeling a bit sick, which helped reduce the guilt later. The more effort I put in upfront, the lighter the guilt became.

No matter how much your partner insists it’s fine to take a weekend boondoggle with the guys or a business trip to New York for steak dinners and late night partying, some resentment will inevitably build. That is just human nature because solo-parenting is hard work!

A Simple Formula That Helps You Take Time Away Without Guilt

Now let’s build an actual formula so you can take action to feel great about more personal time away from the family. Use my formula as a baseline, and then adjust it to your individual family situation.

1. Ask five working dads (or moms) how many days they spend away from their family each year.

Include work trips, conferences, and boondoggles.

2. Calculate the average.

3. Divide that number by two.

This becomes your guilt-free allowance to travel as a stay-at-home parent or take a break from parenting. For example, if you find the average working dad spends 30 days a year away for work, then you can take 15 days guilt free to do whatever the heck you want.

Why half? Because full-time working parents are providing financially. Travel is often part of their job, even though we all know workers no longer have to travel to build relationships or close deals after 2-3 years of Zoom meetings during COVID.

If you are not the main financial provider, you don’t get to travel and have the same number of days the average working parent gets. Half the average is a fair split.

When to Use a Divisor of One (Equal Travel) – When You Are a FIRE Parent

A FIRE parent is someone who retires earlier than normal so they can be a full-time parent while still serving as the main financial provider. This is different from a full-time parent who steps away from their career entirely while their partner continues working.

If you are both the main financial provider and the stay-at-home parent, then it’s only fair that you get to take as many breaks or trips as the average number of trips taken by the five parents you surveyed.

If you happen to know five stay-at-home dads, you can also divide by one instead of two as well. Their averages will generally be lower, but also more aligned with your lifestyle reality.

That said, I still don’t believe a FIRE dad should take more days off than the average stay-at-home dad, even though he’s also the financial provider. Part of the FIRE mindset is maintaining high standards and outperforming the average in both dimensions.

Being a FIRE Dad Is Not Normal

If you reached financial independence so you could spend more time with your children, understand that your lifestyle is rare. FIRE is already rare, but FIRE parenting is even more so given how much it costs to raise a family nowadays.

  • According to Pew Research, only about 7% of fathers who live with their children under 18 are full-time stay-at-home dads. Fathers now make up roughly 18% of all stay-at-home parents (with the other ~82% being mothers). 
  • Meanwhile, I estimate less than 30% of the 7% of full-time stay-at-home dads are FIRE dads who stay home and are also responsible for the bulk of the family finances. In other words, 70% of the full-time stay-at-home dads have working partners/spouses who bring home the sashimi.
Percentage of stay-at-home parents who are fathers dads

The discipline it takes to become financially independent is not easy. The discipline to then spend the next 18 years raising your children full-time is even rarer.

However, if you never take a break, resentment eventually builds. You may start comparing your arrangement to households with a more balanced setup. Without finding a better balance, a marriage can easily break apartment.

You cannot sustain full-time parenthood long term without caring for yourself.

There Is No Prize for Being a Martyr

If you work full time and still travel for weeks or months each year, you have an incredibly supportive partner at home. Appreciate them. Solo-parenting for weeks on end is not easy.

If you are a full-time parent or FIRE parent who feels guilty even thinking about taking a weekend away, remember this:

You have already spent more time with your children than many working parents will spend in a lifetime.

Your presence, consistency, and sacrifice are already changing the trajectory of your children’s lives.

But none of it matters if you burn out.

A rested parent is a better parent. A resentful parent is a dangerous one.

Give yourself permission to step away. You deserve the rest. You deserve the freedom. And you deserve the same grace you give to everyone else.

If you’re a stay-at-home parent, how do you overcome the guilt of taking time for yourself? Do you think my formula is fair? If not, how would you adjust it? And for the working parents out there, how many days a year do you travel for work?

Take Care Of Your Family, Even When You’re Not There

As stay-at-home parents, we carry the invisible load. We show up every day, even when we’re exhausted. But the truth is, none of us can be present 24/7. Whether you’re traveling, working, or finally taking that long-overdue break, having the right life insurance means your family is protected no matter what.

That’s where Policygenius comes in. It’s my preferred life-insurance marketplace because it does all the comparison shopping for you, quickly, clearly, and at the lowest prices available. In minutes, you can compare top insurers side-by-side and get the coverage your family deserves.

If you’ve spent years putting your family first, make sure you protect them with the same intention. Once my wife and I got matching 20-year term life insurance policies through Policygenius, we breathed a huge sigh of relief. They were affordable and enabled us to better focus on being present for our children.

Check your life-insurance rates today with Policygenius. Your future self, and your family, will thank you.

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If time is truly more precious than money, then spending money to buy back your time is the wisest trade of all. Here’s an example of overcoming my frugality to live a better life.

Perhaps one of the main reasons I initially didn’t want to go on a family vacation to LegoLand and SeaWorld was because I knew it would cost thousands of dollars. As someone who enjoys investing more than spending, it’s hard for me to feel comfortable dropping ~$5,000 for just three days of vacation when I already feel like I’m on vacation at home as a semi-retiree.

However, as someone who’s been actively trying to spend more money since turning 45 (in 2022), I figured, let’s give this trip a go. Spending money on family is much easier than spending money on myself. Baby steps toward decumulation!

Spending Money On Saving Time Is The Best

Since this was our first time visiting LegoLand in Carlsbad, we didn’t quite know what to expect. We asked other parents and newsletter readers whether we should get the fast passes for $99/person to skip potentially long lines.

About 75% said there was no need because we were going on an off-peak Thursday in October. That sounded reasonable, so I took their advice. After all, we could always buy the fast passes later if the crowds were bad, that is, if the passes were still available.

At 10:10 a.m., we rolled up to the Coastersaurus ride, and the line was absurdly long! See the video for yourself. One of the ushers suggested we head toward the back of the park since it had just opened and the other rides were still relatively empty.

We followed her advice and moseyed over to Emmet’s Flying Adventure ride, a highly anticipated ride after our kids just watched the Lego movie. Unfortunately, another long line. That’s when I decided, screw it. I wasn’t about to spend 30–40 minutes per ride standing in line with a 5- and 8-year-old. Life’s too short. I bought the $396 worth of fast passes for the four of us.

At first, I felt guilty walking past everyone waiting patiently in line, especially the children. I even wondered if I was setting a bad example for my kids by not practicing patience. But then I remembered – $396 is a lot of money! – and got over it. It wasn’t like we lived in Southern California, had a season pass, and could easily get to LegoLand whenever we wanted.

The kids were thrilled to go on more rides, and as any parent knows, happy kids (and a happy spouse) make for a happier life.

Probably Didn’t Need The Most Expensive Fast Pass

Now that we’ve been to LegoLand once, I realize there’s no need to splurge on the $99-per-person Ultimate fast pass again during off-peak season. The Deluxe or even Regular fast pass would’ve been plenty since every ride only has two lines: the regular line and the fast pass line. The ushers don’t seem to differentiate between which tier you bought.

We also found that a couple of rides – Ninjago and Lost Kingdom Adventure – had no wait times at all. Toward the end of the day, I almost wished the lines were longer just so we could feel like we got more value from the upgrade.

So, I’ll chalk up that extra $196 to inexperience. At the time, we were worried about getting nickel-and-dimed by the park if we didn’t buy the top-tier pass. At least now we know, and now thousands of you who’ve never been know too.

LegoLand fast pass options - Spending Money to Save Time Is the Best Use of Funds
The Deluxe or Regular passes are good enough to save plenty of time

Spending On Ubers Instead Of A Rental Car Was Great

Another decision to save time was to use Ubers instead of renting a car. An Uber ride from our house to SFO costs about $30 one way, while long-term parking costs $25/day, and we’d be gone for three days. Plus, it takes an extra 20 minutes to get from the parking lot to security. So taking an Uber was a no-brainer for both time and cost savings. We picked up our kids from school at 3:50 p.m. on Wednesday to catch a 5:30 p.m. flight.

We could’ve rented a midsize car in San Diego for about $70/day ($210 total), but I wanted to avoid the hassle of pickup, parking, and drop-off. In total, we spent about $300 on Uber rides. And frankly, it felt totally worth it, especially compared to the $396 we spent on fast passes.

There’s also something freeing about not being responsible for a large, expensive asset that could get dinged up or stolen. That mental relief alone made the vacation feel lighter. When you factor in the value of time and reduced stress, spending on rideshare services over rentals starts to look like a solid tradeoff.

Spending money on Ubers to save time and convenience is much better than getting a rental car - Spending Money to Save Time Is the Best Use of Funds
No fancy Ritz Carlton or Four Seasons for us! Sonesta ES Suites were great value for a two-bedroom suite

No Time Saved Flying Business Or First, So We Didn’t

I still can’t justify paying a 50%–200% premium for Business or First Class on short domestic flights, especially when everyone arrives at the same time. If I was going to Hawaii by myself, then maybe.

At 5’10” and ~168 pounds, I can still fit comfortably in Economy seats. My wife and kids fit easily, too since they are much smaller. If we get to sit together in a row of four, or two and two, then even better. My economy seat effectively expands by 25%–50% when I can snuggle next to my loved ones.

Our flight had a 3-and-3 configuration, so I was the one who drew the short straw and sat next to strangers both ways. The flight down was fine, but on the way back, I sat beside a fidgety 14-year-old who kept bumping me and waving his arm in front of my face to point out the window. Still, no big deal. I typed up my free weekly newsletter on the short 70-minute flight.

When we landed, our first Uber kept delaying pickup, so I canceled and called a Lyft, which arrived in two minutes. It felt great not having to wait for an airport shuttle or hunt down our car in long-term parking. Time saved once again.

Still Doesn’t Feel Great Spending $5,000

The investor in me still winces thinking about spending $5,000 on pleasure instead of investing it in the S&P 500 or a venture fund for my kids. I can’t help but run the numbers:

  • In 13 years, when my daughter heads to college, that $5,000 could’ve grown to $17,000 if invested in the S&P 500 earning a 10% annual return.
  • In 10 years, when my son heads to college, that same $5,000 could’ve compounded to $31,000 if invested in Fundrise Venture earning 20% a year. I’ve invested about $200,000 earmarked for both kids so far, which means I’ve got another $150,000 to go to save them from AI.
  • Or, it could’ve paid for a weeklong music or sports camp that builds lasting skills and confidence.

As an investor, there’s always a risk when spending money on something new. You never know if it’ll be worth it until afterward. Of course, investors can also lose money too. But since we all had such a great time in San Diego, I’m at peace with it.

FIRE Is All About Reducing Time Spent on Suboptimal Experiences

After writing about FIRE since 2009, this lesson feels full circle. The whole point of achieving financial independence is to free up our time – to do less of what we don’t enjoy and more of what we love. The more we dislike our jobs or feel that our work lacks purpose, the stronger our desire to FIRE naturally becomes. The same goes for if we’re more sensitive on time’s passing.

The key is to use money as a tool to buy back time, by saving and investing aggressively until we reach our Minimum Investment Threshold. Once we hit that point, work becomes more optional and life becomes more intentional.

Buying back time can mean skipping long lines, avoiding parking headaches, or simply cutting out the small annoyances that drain our energy. Because once time is gone, we can’t buy it back. Now that I’m a parent, the return on all the “sacrifices” I made in my 20s and 30s to build passive income feels absolutely worth it.

When it comes to FIRE, giving up active income by not working is essentially the same as spending money to save time. They’re two sides of the same coin. Accepting this reality makes it much easier to spend once you’re retired.

After all, what’s $5,000 when you’ve already given up earning $50,000, $100,000, $500,000, or even $1+ million a year because you no longer want to trade time for money? In that context, $5,000 is insignificant.

Final Thoughts on Spending for Time Freedom

Spending money doesn’t have to feel bad, as long as it’s purposeful. Spending to save time, create memories, or reduce stress is money well spent. Just be careful that extreme frugality doesn’t lead to lifestyle deflation. It’s an easy trap to fall into after a lifetime of saving diligently.

Given time is more valuable than money, spending money to save time is the logical thing to do. You can always make more money, but you can’t make more time. The trick is finding the balance between the investor in you who wants compounding returns, and the human in you who wants to enjoy life while you can.

So, the next time you hesitate to spend on convenience or experience, ask yourself: Will this purchase help me reclaim time or create lasting joy? If the answer is yes, then it’s probably worth it.

Readers, what are your thoughts on spending more money to save time? What are things to spend money on that could rival or surpass the value of saving time?

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On October 8, 2025, we decided to go on a family vacation I was decidedly unexcited about. That entire week was supposed to be my time to attend the Fairfield Challenger tennis tournament every day with my buddy Richard. September and October are tennis paradise months in the Bay Area, with multiple tournaments and ideal weather. This year was especially exciting with the Laver Cup in town.

However, October 9 and 10 happened to be school holidays for my kids, followed by Columbus Day on October 13. My wife and children really wanted to visit San Diego to see Legoland and SeaWorld for the first time.

I, on the other hand, was perfectly happy to stay home, save ~$5,000, and enjoy watching professional tennis, one of my absolute favorite activities, for $45 or less per ticket. But as frugal tennis fanatics, we actually volunteer as ball boys to get in free and get free lunch. However, the biggest joy is having the absolute best seats in the house – right on the court!

Before having kids, I used to fly to New York City to visit my sister and watch the US Open in Flushing. I could go from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. without missing a beat. But after becoming a parent, I could no longer justify that kind of indulgence.

My Great Dislike Of Flying

I dislike flying due to the lines, the delays, the costs, seat hogs, and sometimes unruly passengers. After taking around 200 work flights over 13 years, I’ve experienced every kind of travel misery imaginable. And if I’m being honest, I still think about death every time I board. The trauma from 9/11 never fully fades. I lived just a couple blocks away and had attended a conference at the top of the North Tower earlier that year.

If I’m going to fly, I’d rather it be to visit my parents in Honolulu, not to stand in endless amusement park lines. But I also know these trips aren’t really for me, they’re for the kids. So off we went, me internally reluctant but outwardly enthusiastic.

Oh, how I envy those parents who genuinely love Legos, roller coasters, and Disney characters. They look like they’re having the time of their lives! Life really is better when you have more interests.

So here I am – the reluctant, slightly grumpy dad – sharing my thoughts before takeoff on why you should take as many vacations as you can while you’re still working. Vacations are not only more enjoyable while you’re still in the grind, but they’re also therapeutic, helping you recharge and extend your career longevity.

Over the long term, the more vacations you take, the more money you very well make!

Why Vacations Aren’t As Great Once You Retire Early

In a previous post, I discussed how being truly FIRE is terrible for entrepreneurship. Now here are three reasons why vacations lose their magic after early retirement.

1) You Take Your Freedom for Granted

The “problem” with FIRE is having endless freedom and choices. On paper, that sounds incredible with no boss, no meetings, no deadlines. But in reality, too much freedom can start to feel like a burden. When every option is available, deciding what to do with your time can feel oddly heavy.

Every weekday after dropping my kids off at school, I have total discretion over my day. I can play tennis, write, nap, go on a hike, or do absolutely nothing. There’s nobody to tell me what to do or how to do it. Yet, when every day can feel like a vacation, the novelty eventually wears off.

After 13+ years of freedom, I don’t wake up excited by the idea of being able to do whatever I want. Autonomy has become my default setting, not a luxury. What once felt liberating now simply is. That’s the paradox of early retirement: the more freedom you have, the less you notice it.

To counteract this complacency, I’ve found it’s essential to maintain a sense of structure and challenge. That’s one reason why I’ve kept up a consistent 3–4X per week writing schedule since July 2009, even after leaving my job in 2012. Writing gives me a sense of purpose and accountability that pure leisure can’t provide.

Without some form of productive struggle, the days can blur together, and even paradise starts to lose its shine.

2) It’s Hard to Spend Money on Fun When You’re Already Happy

FIRE can make you reluctant to spend money on leisure. It’s like paying extra for tap water, you already have access to what you need.

Since retiring from a traditional day job in 2012, I’ve discovered plenty of inexpensive activities that bring me joy: playing tennis, playing pickleball, writing, hiking, and watching tennis.

So spending ~$5,000 on a trip I’m not excited about doesn’t feel great. I’d rather have used the kids’ school holidays for giving them tennis and soccer lessons (free), followed by a pool day with a big swirly slide (utilizing my underutilized sports club membership that costs $180/month). Daddy day camp to the max!

In addition, I had recently spent three weeks dealing with tenant turnover, which is always unpleasant. I had to list the property for rent again, clean up what I could for showings, evaluate prospective tenants, draft a new lease, help with onboarding, and coordinate with the departing tenants on their move-out and cleanup. After all that effort, to then spend more than half of one month’s rent on a trip felt uncomfortable.

If you’re the person responsible for your household finances, you can’t help think about cost-benefit analysis. But it’s important to think about the other members in your family and what they want to do. Since I turned 45 in 2022, I’ve being trying my best to spend more money.

3) Your Vacation Property Likely Won’t Be as Nice as Your Home

Another post-FIRE downer: the vacation property usually isn’t as nice as your primary residence. This pertains to most workers who vacation too.

You could spend a small fortune renting a luxury spot, but you probably won’t because that’s not how most FIRE practitioners think. We spent years saving aggressively and avoiding excess. The idea of dropping thousands to rent a house for a week, let alone a day, goes against that conditioning.

Instead, you’ll likely settle for a modest Airbnb or hotel room, cramming everyone in. Only the truly wealthy, the top 0.1%, would rent a vacation home as nice as their own. When you’ve got lots of active income coming in, it’s much easier to spend.

If you’ve recently bought a house you love, you’ll also be more reluctant to leave it. I love our home – the Toto Washlets, the view, the space inside and out. Every day already feels like living in a luxurious vacation property. So paying money to downgrade feels off while our existing home sits empty while we’re away.

Remember, the true cost of your vacation is the cost of your vacation plus the daily cost of maintaining your existing home. Here’s my vacation spending guide to help you spend more responsibly while away. It is very easy to go nuts while in vacation mode.

When Vacations Are Better Post-Early Retirement

Vacations are most exciting post-FIRE if you’ve never traveled before. If your parents never took you anywhere, your job never sent you on trips, and you never studied abroad, by all means travel! You’ll finally have the freedom and means to explore.

Hopefully, you’ll visit multiple continents, immerse yourself in new cultures, and realize how fortunate we are in the U.S. The world would be a better place if more people traveled and shared meals with those from completely different backgrounds.

It’s hard to hate someone once you’ve broken bread with them.

Vacations are also better if you retire closer to the traditional age of 60-65. After a lifetime of trading time for money, you will appreciate your freedom and the time you have left more than the early retiree.

Sadly, the thrill of travel has faded for me because I grew up living abroad for 13 years. As a foreign service officer’s kid, I lived in six countries, studied abroad my junior year, traveled throughout Asia and the U.S. for work for 13 years, and checked off bucket-list sites like Angkor Wat, the Taj Mahal, the Blue Mosque, the Colosseum, and the Winter Palace.

Sure, I’d still love to visit Cairo and Petra, but they can wait until our kids get older.

The Best Vacations Are When You’re Still Working

If you’re still working toward financial independence, enjoy the incredible privilege of getting paid while on vacation. It’s the same joy as receiving paid parental leave. What wonderful work benefits that should not be taken for granted.

So take all your vacation days. Don’t hoard them out of fear you’ll lose your job or miss a promotion. The only exception is your final year before FIRE. Bank those days since your employer has to pay them out in cash when you leave.

The more you’re micromanaged and undermined at work, the more you’ll enjoy your vacations. Paid time off feels like sweet revenge for all the nonsense you put up with. But once nobody’s telling you what to do, vacations lose that contrast. You’re not escaping anything anymore.

You’ll Still Have Fun While Away

Even though vacations aren’t quite as thrilling after early retirement, I still appreciate the freedom to travel whenever I want. I’m revisiting this post after returning from LegoLand and SeaWorld, and you know what? I had a blast!

But more importantly, our kids had the time of their lives. They told their mom and me, “It was the best time ever.” That kind of feedback is truly priceless and motivating to go on more vacations for them.

As a FIRE parent, it’s also nice never having to ask for time off when your kids are on break. That’s a privilege I didn’t fully appreciate until I realized how many working parents scramble to find childcare during random school in-service days.

If you want to retire early, but are afraid kids will spoil your ideal post-work lifestyle, don’t worry! Kids nowadays have so many days off from school, between local holidays, federal holidays, and in-service days, that you’ll have plenty of days off to travel. We’re talking 3.5 – 4.5 months off a year, which is more than enough vacation time.

Do Hard Things in Retirement To Better Appreciate Vacations

If you want to get excited about vacations again in retirement, do something challenging in retirement. It’s helpful to juxtapose the hard with the easy to better appreciate the good life.

For me, that’s been writing books because writing articles is no longer hard. Each book takes about two years to complete, and when I published Millionaire Milestones: Simple Steps to Seven Figures in May 2025, I felt a tremendous sense of relief and accomplishment. It even made the USA TODAY national bestseller list. Not easy when there are only 100 spots across all genres while more than 300,000 books are traditionally published a year.

That achievement made me more motivated to vacation in Honolulu for five weeks because I felt like I deserved it. Of course, it wasn’t a completely relaxing trip. I was remodeling my parents’ in-law unit, confronting difficult childhood memories, and trying to prove my Hawaiian roots. But this time, the vacation felt more meaningful because it followed a period of hard, creative work.

Don’t assume early retirement will create a life full of thrilling vacations. You might go travel-crazy at first, but eventually the novelty fades, and you’ll start craving productivity and purpose again. Enjoy a nice balance!

Reader Questions

Fellow retirees, have you found vacations to be less exciting now that every day can feel like one? Did you travel less than you originally planned, or burn out after going too hard early on? Do you struggle to spend money on new adventures once you’ve found plenty of inexpensive ways to enjoy life at home?

And what do you think – are vacations really that fun once you no longer need an escape from work?

If You Want To Go On Permanent Vacation

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I paid rent today. I also collected rent today.

Ever since I moved to New York City, I’ve had this uncommon experience on the first of every month. It flies in the face of how society teaches us to adult.

The conventional thinking is that a person graduates from college, gets a job, buys a primary residence — without roommates, house hacking, Airbnb, or otherwise monetizing the property — and lives happily ever after.

Under the conventional approach, you pay for every housing expense out-of-pocket.

Sounds expensive.

And people are rightfully frustrated about how expensive this goal has become — for many people, at many income levels, it feels completely out of reach.

But people get so caught up in whether it’s affordable that we lose the bigger question:

Should you even want to?

Does it actually make financial sense to own your primary residence?

And beyond the math — isn’t this goal too narrow anyway? Why does the American Dream have to be defined this way?

Who does this conveyor belt thinking actually benefit — besides big builders and the consumer market that profits when we buy home furnishings and appliances?

There’s a better way to think about this. So let me propose an alternative.


Imagine this alternative scenario:

You either graduate from college, go to a trade school or vocational school, join the military, or start an entrepreneurial endeavor — or maybe some combination of the above.

You grow the gap between what you earn and spend, which is the foundation of all personal finance.

After a few years, once you’ve amassed some savings, you don’t just blindly follow the buy-a-home advice, nor do you lament about the fact that starter homes are unaffordable.

You recognize that pithy slogans like “renting is throwing your money away” are reductive, and a poor basis for a six-figure decision. And those slogans only serve the real estate industry, which is structured to make money based on commissions and transaction volume.

You refuse to get swayed by simplistic slogans.

Instead, you use math to guide your decisions.

When it comes to housing, that means calculating the price-to-rent ratio where you want to live.

You can look at the price-to-rent ratio of a city, town, or neighborhood in the aggregate. Or you could look at the ratio of a specific home in particular.

The real nerds among us will spend a Friday night analyzing both — and honestly, that’s not the worst way to spend an evening before making a six-figure decision.

The price-to-rent ratio is the price of a property divided by the annualized rent.

For example:

In Location A, a $350,000 home can be rented for $1,200 a month, which is $14,400 per year. The P/R ratio is 24.31.

In Location B, that same $350,000 home rents for $2,200 per month, which is $26,400 per year. The P/R ratio is 13.26.

Here’s how to use this number:

If the P/R ratio is under 15, you might choose to follow the traditional path of buying a home — following the conventional American dream.

But if the P/R ratio is over 25, you pledge NOT to buy a home in that location, and decide to rent forever by choice.

You’ll save money as a renter as compared to being an owner — and you could invest that money in an S&P 500 index fund for what historically would have been a far greater return.

You could arbitrage the savings and retire earlier. (Here’s a deep dive on this topic.)

Between 15 to 25 is a gray zone:
— 15 to 20 is light gray, leaning towards buying
— 20 to 25 is dark gray, leaning towards renting (but if you’ll hold the property for a long time, buying is also a reasonable choice, particularly if other holding costs such as property taxes, insurance rates, and HOA fees are low)


Let’s imagine you live in an area where the P/R ratio is over 25. It makes rational financial sense to rent your personal residence.

But you have a deep desire to own a home anyway — maybe for the psychological benefits, the stability, or simply because you want to. What do you do?

You have two options. Either:

a) House hack your primary residence

or

b) Rent your primary residence. Buy rental property in a P/R < 15 location.

Let’s walk through both.

Option A: House hacking.

This is another way of saying that you’re going to monetize your property.

Maybe you buy a duplex, triplex, or fourplex, live in one unit and rent out the others.

Maybe you buy a single-family home that has a detached garage, accessory dwelling unit, or walk-out basement that can be converted into an autonomous unit. It’s technically not classified as a duplex, but it functionally acts like one. You live in one unit and rent the other.

Or heck, maybe you just get an old-fashioned roommate. This works well for extended families and friends: perhaps your brother or best friend (or both!) want to share the space, like Uncle Jesse and Joey in Full House.

Everyone’s comfort level and circumstances are going to be different.

But here’s the key insight: a portion of your home can actually produce income — rather than consume it. ​

This is how I got my start — and it looked nothing like the real estate TikToks would have you believe.

Years ago, I sat at my tiny IKEA kitchen table, running numbers with my phone’s calculator, some scratch paper, and the kind of skepticism that only comes after reading too many get-rich-quick blog posts.

I started my career as a newspaper reporter, earning the inflation-adjusted equivalent of $34,309 in today’s (2025) dollars; enough to cover rent and groceries but never quite enough to feel like I had real options.

I wanted choice.

The ability to spend my time writing, traveling, and building new projects without worrying if I’d make rent that month.

I needed a way of bringing in money that didn’t solely depend on my hours.

So I saved.

Every extra dollar I could squirrel away went into the proverbial piggy bank. My first property was a small triplex, which I renovated and self-managed. I shared one unit with three other people, and rented out the others.

Their combined rent meant that I had zero out-of-pocket housing costs. The mortgage, utilities, and even basic repairs (not major renovations, but little here-and-there repairs) were entirely covered.

I lived there for five years — zero housing costs the entire time. That’s the beauty of house hacking.

House hacking is one of two cost-efficient ways to get on the property ladder, even in expensive places.

But there’s one major drawback:

House hacking necessarily requires buying a property at the Venn diagram intersection between your personal preference and an investment — which means, typically, it’s an acceptable investment but not a stellar one.

The next option solves this problem.

Let’s look at the other option:

Option B: Rent your personal home; buy in a P/R < 15 area.

From a mathematical perspective, this makes the most sense.

When you’re buying an investment, you’re focused on the numbers — the return you’ll get relative to the level of risk you’re taking. You’re not falling in love with high ceilings or crown molding.

But when people buy personal homes, they do the opposite. They choose based on what they love, not what makes financial sense.

When you buy a house hack, you’re making compromises between what you personally would find acceptable and what would make the numbers work.

And often when a property tries to be both, it ends up being suboptimal in both dimensions.

You avoid this dilemma when you rent where you live and buy investment property based purely on the numbers.

This keeps emotion out of the equation, so your money can work harder for you in the places where it actually makes sense to own.

This is what I do today, as a NYC resident who is a renter by choice.

I also own seven rental units across Indiana, Nevada, and Georgia — all of which I’ve fully paid off (no mortgage).

And that’s why, on the first of the month, I simultaneously pay rent and collect it.


Here’s what I discovered: you don’t need to get everything perfect to succeed in real estate.

You just need to get the fundamentals right. The math. The systems. The patience to hold the property long enough for time and compounding to work their quiet magic.

That triplex became the start of a rental portfolio that, years later, gives me a steady stream of income whether or not I’m working.

It’s not about yachts or private jets. It’s about having the freedom to say:

💭 Yes, I’ll take three months off to travel.

💭 Yes, I’ll take on this project even if it doesn’t earn a dime at first.

💭 Yes, I’ll choose work that excites me, not work I feel chained to.

That’s what real estate gave me: not wealth for its own sake, but choice.

Which brings me to the question I hear most often:

“But Paula … does real estate even make sense right now?”

I get this question constantly. And I understand why — you’ve seen the headlines.

⚡ High interest rates.

⚡ Prices that have climbed 47 percent since the start of 2020, according to the Case-Shiller Price Index.

⚡ And contradictory inventory patterns. (There’s simultaneously a severe housing shortage and also homes lingering on the market for far too long).

I understand why people are hesitant.

But here’s what most people miss:

The best investors don’t wait for “perfect” conditions. They look for cash-flow positive deals, the kind that make sense regardless of what the Fed does.

That’s what I teach in Your First Rental Property (YFRP). How to analyze the math so you’re not speculating on appreciation, but building durable, long-term income that gives you options.

Because the truth is, there will never be a perfect moment. What matters is knowing how to find the right deal for you.

That skill is timeless. And once you have it, you’ll carry it forever.

That’s what YFRP is all about. It’s the course I would have wanted when I was sitting at that kitchen table with my phone’s calculator app, trying to figure out if this was even possible.

It’s a 10-week program designed to help you:

🪺 Analyze deals so you don’t buy a money pit

🪺 Find the right property — even if you’re investing out-of-state

🪺 Finance intelligently (because most of us don’t have piles of cash sitting around)

🪺 Build a team and systems so you’re not on call 24/7 for tenants

And it’s opening its doors to our next cohort later this month.

If you’re a busy professional who wants a clear, structured roadmap to your first rental — without wasting years and tens of thousands of dollars stumbling around like I did, learning from the School of Hard Knocks — YFRP was built for you.

Click here to get on the waitlist for the next cohort. You’ll be the first to know when doors open.

If you’ve ever thought, “I’d love to invest, but I don’t know where to start”, YFRP is the starting line.

And if you’ve ever thought, “Maybe real estate could be my ticket to freedom,” I’m here to tell you: it can.

Because you don’t need perfect timing. You don’t need a trust fund. You don’t need to wait for the market to calm down.

You just need a process. And a willingness to begin.

Talk soon,
Paula

P.S. The next YFRP cohort opens soon.

If you want me to send you the details, just click here to let me know you’re interested.

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Being Truly FIRE Is Terrible For Entrepreneurship, But That’s OK http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/being-truly-fire-is-terrible-for-entrepreneurship-but-thats-ok/ http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/being-truly-fire-is-terrible-for-entrepreneurship-but-thats-ok/#respond Mon, 29 Sep 2025 21:33:16 +0000 http://livelaughlovedo.com/2025/09/30/being-truly-fire-is-terrible-for-entrepreneurship-but-thats-ok/ [ad_1]

In 2020, during the heart of the COVID pandemic, I remember listening to a FIRE-focused podcast hosted by two people who claimed to be financially independent and retired early. Even though it’s been over 16 years since I first started writing about FIRE, the topic still fascinates me. The journey toward financial independence is full of twists and turns, and people’s real-life experiences are always insightful.

But one particular episode caught me off guard. The two hosts—who built their entire brand on the idea of never needing to work again—asked listeners for financial support to keep their podcast running. Soon after, I saw an email making the same plea.

I remember thinking, Wait a minute. If these folks are truly FIRE, why would they need to ask for money to keep a passion project alive? Just fund it themselves!

I wasn’t judging the need for donations itself. Creative projects cost time and money, and compensation is deserved. But the ask didn’t match the premise. If they were genuinely financially independent, surely they could afford a few thousand dollars a year to sustain their own show, especially one that was meant to showcase the freedom FIRE provides.

How Much Does a Podcast Really Cost To Produce?

I have the Financial Samurai podcast (Apple, Spotify), so I know exactly what goes into production. A decently produced, professional-sounding episode doesn’t have to break the bank. Editing an hour-long episode might cost anywhere from $100 to $600 maximum depending on the level of polish and sound add-ons.

My biggest expense is time. Recording, editing, and uploading a 45-minute show can easily consume four to five hours between my wife (editor) and me.

That’s a significant chunk of time for something that isn’t mission-critical. I’d rather spend that time writing, hanging out with my kids, or playing tennis for exercise.

Not FIRE, But An Entrepreneur Instead

Given the manageable costs and the fact that FIRE is supposed to mean “work is optional,” it struck me as odd that these podcasters were asking for financial help. The more I thought about it, the more I suspected that maybe they weren’t actually financially independent.

Maybe they were simply entrepreneurs running a small business, worried about declining revenue and grasping for ways to keep the lights on during COVID. After all, they’ve never shared their net worth or passive income figures, so we have no idea.

As someone who helped kickstart the modern-day FIRE movement in 2009, I often hear a common criticism: some FIRE influencers haven’t really “retired,” they’ve simply traded a day job for entrepreneurship. There’s a lot of smoke and mirrors due to a lack of transparency.

I totally get it.

Podcasts don’t record themselves and articles don’t magically appear overnight. I spend about 15 hours a week writing, editing, and responding to comments and emails on Financial Samurai. To acknowledge this dynamic, I even wrote a post about being a fake retiree for 10+ years, to hang a lantern on the situation. So for the podcasters to ask money from their audience helps buttress this criticism.

For me, I love writing, connecting, and learning about personal finance. It’s endlessly rewarding to create something from nothing. After working 60+ hours a week for 13 years in banking, there’s no way I could just sit around playing golf or tennis all day in retirement. I need to stay productive and mentally stimulated for a two-to-three hours a day. The rest of the time is for exercise, childcare, travel, and relaxation. That is my sweet spot.

Along the way, Financial Samurai generates supplemental retirement income, which helps keep our safe withdrawal rate low, and both my wife and me out of Corporate America since 2012 and 2015, respectively. We hope the run continues indefinitely.

To not monetize my passion would be completely irrational. Running Financial Samurai costs about $10,000 a year for the dedicated server, email services, and tech support – excluding labor. However, I’d rather not ask my readers for donations because it feels inconsistent with my FIRE philosophy. A share or a review of my podcast or books are enough.

FIRE Will Make You a Terrible Entrepreneur

Although I stopped listening regularly after that episode, the show carried on. About a year later, one of the hosts left – presumably to pursue better opportunities with his time. The remaining host kept grinding, and today the podcast is thriving. I’d bet it now generates at least $150,000 in net profits. Awesome!

And that’s exactly the point. When you’re not truly FIRE—when you still need or strongly want more money—you hustle. You create. You innovate. You do everything possible to keep the revenue flowing. You even ask your audience for donations during a global pandemic, if that’s what it takes.

The hunger to survive and grow is what fuels entrepreneurship. But if you’ve already reached a level of passive income that comfortably covers your living expenses, that hunger fades. Without that pressure, you might not push as hard. You might even, gasp, become a terrible entrepreneur.

Here are some of the things I could do to make more money:

  • Create a YouTube or TikTok channel
  • Hire a team of writers to publish more articles and drive more traffic
  • Bring on a salesperson to secure more advertising partnerships
  • Become a paid speaker at conferences after writing two national bestsellers
  • Do more personal finance consulting instead of throttle it to only one a month or when a book comes out
  • Publish one or two podcast episodes each week, instead one one every three weeks or so
  • Spend at least an hour a day posting on social media to boost engagement and traffic
  • Pitch TV producers on shows, like my idea Love Is Money

The thing is, I just can’t be bothered, which is why I’ve kept my cadence since 2009. I didn’t leave a job to create another one in FIRE. Managing people and constantly selling yourself is exhausting. If you want to subscribe to my newsletter and read Financial Samurai. Great! If not, also great!

I’ve found a sweet spot – creating and interacting between 6 am – 7:45 am, then again for an hour after the kids go to bed – where I feel the most fulfilled and happy. Anything much beyond 20 hours starts to feel like a J O B.

I respect the grindcore hustle, but I simply don’t have the same drive at my age. Financial independence has sapped my entrepreneurial edge.

But if I was desperate for money for whatever reason, hell yeah I’d try out these new initiatives! I’m not too proud to work a minimum wage service job to provide for my family. I’ll do whatever it takes to ensure they are secure.

The Enthusiasm to Grind At Work Naturally Fades

Once you’ve reached the Minimum Investment Threshold where work becomes optional, the thrill of going above and beyond at a day job starts to wane. Coming in early or staying late feels pointless. Meetings get skipped, after-work drinks declined, and weekend boondoggles replaced with family time. Even that once-exciting business trip to New York loses its shine.

For entrepreneurs, the drop in motivation can be even steeper. Unlike employees, there’s no boss dictating the day. You have to be a relentless self-starter while wearing every hat—creator, marketer, accountant, PR rep, and business development lead.

Forcing yourself to build and grow a business when you already have enough passive income is a tall order. Entrepreneurship is way harder than being an employee.

As a result, you may have to resort to mind games to help keep that motivation to create alive.

When My Desire to Earn Returned

My drive to earn spiked twice recently: when my daughter was born in December 2019 and after buying a new house in 2023.

Lockdowns made entrepreneurship from home a logical focus. If the government was going to take away my freedom, I sure as hell was going to make the most of being online! Then the house purchase cut my passive income enough to reignite the urge to rebuild it.

But after two strong years of stock market gains and a rebound in San Francisco home prices, I’m back to sleeping in and caring less about revenue optimization. Our finances now depend far more on market performance than on entrepreneurial income. Maintaining the right asset allocation matters more than squeezing out extra business profits. Go bull market!

This lull is exactly why parents should never give their kids money for nothing. If they want spending power, they need to earn it. No matter how wealthy we become, showing at least a baseline level of hustle is essential so our kids develop a strong work ethic when they have nothing. Just say no to entitlement mentality!

The Comfortable Path Pays Less

Here lies the paradox of FIRE: you escape the rat race, but you also lose the urgency that drives extraordinary entrepreneurial success. When you no longer need to make money, you’re less inclined to chase every opportunity or sell your business for top dollar.

That’s not necessarily bad. It’s freeing. But to thrive as an entrepreneur without a profit motive, you need to be extremely greedy, deeply mission-driven, or truly love your product. Without that internal fire, long hours and relentless growth simply won’t happen.

Creative Longevity: FIRE’s Hidden Gift

If FIRE makes you a bad entrepreneur, at least it can also make you a longer-lasting one. Because I’m not burning out chasing revenue, Financial Samurai has endured since 2009, a lifetime in internet years. Many flashier sites scaled fast, burned hot, and disappeared when founders lost interest or ad dollars dried up.

My slower, steadier approach may never produce a headline-grabbing exit, but it delivers something equally valuable: staying power. I can keep writing, podcasting, and engaging for years because I genuinely enjoy the work. Enjoyment, not maximization, is what keeps a project alive.

Financial independence has made me a less aggressive entrepreneur but a happier human. It also gives me time to set an example for my kids. I want them to see the value of curiosity and discipline, and if I can keep this site running until 2040, maybe I can even provide a form of career insurance if they struggle after college.

For now, I’m content not to maximize revenue because we already have enough. But if the day comes when my family needs me to earn more, I will. That responsibility as a father never goes away, even if the urgency to chase dollars does.

What are your thoughts on how being truly FIRE affects an entrepreneur’s path? Could it be that when you no longer need money to survive, you’re actually free to become a better entrepreneur because you can focus entirely on creating the best product possible? And do you find it strange when a FIRE influencer asks their audience for donations?

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Picture this: your 11-year-old son comes home from a friend’s house and asks why you don’t have a basketball court in your basement like his buddy’s family. 

Instead of just saying “we can’t afford it,” you explain that having one would mean dad goes back to working 60-hour weeks and traveling constantly. 

Your son thinks for a moment and says, “No thanks, I’d rather spend time with you.”

Andy Hill found himself having exactly this conversation with his son — and it perfectly captures the philosophy that led him and his wife to redesign their entire approach to work and family life.

By age 40, Andy and his wife Nicole had built a $500,000 investment portfolio and paid off their house completely. But instead of continuing the corporate grind toward traditional retirement, they made a radical choice: 

They both switched to part time work, roughly 20 to 25 hours per week each.

Andy joins us to share a 10-step plan for anyone who wants to also switch to a model in which BOTH parents work part time.

We discuss the concept of Coast FIRE – the point where you’ve invested enough that your money will grow to a comfortable retirement without any additional contributions. Think of it as eliminating your biggest monthly “bill” – retirement savings. 

Once Andy and his wife hit this milestone, they could afford to earn less and live more.

The conversation covers Andy’s 10-step framework for achieving this lifestyle, from dreaming about what you actually want to eliminating debt to building what he calls “FU money” — the cash cushion that gives you confidence to make bold career moves.

 

Resources Mentioned:

Andy Hill’s Own Your Time
Marriage, Kids and Money podcast
marriagekidsandmoney.com

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Paula Pant on stage at World Domination Summit

Credit: Chris Guillebeau

Mike: After 15 years of intentional living, Mike is 80 percent of the way to financial independence. Now he’s trying to help friends take control of their own financial future. But what happens when one spouse is eager to learn and invest, while the other isn’t interested?

Michael: For two years, Michael has tracked his net worth monthly. So far, growth has been driven almost entirely by how much he saved. But when will investment returns begin to take over and shift that steady line into an exponential curve?

Alvaro: After 15 years of investing in U.S. and European real estate, Alvaro has a big decision to make. Should he leverage a commercial loan to build an ADU for short-term rental income, or take on more personal debt to expand their family home?

Jonathan: After hearing Paula and Joe discuss the efficient frontier — and then listening to Big ERN, Paul Merriman, and JL Collins — Jonathan can’t help but wonder: has Joe’s perspective evolved? Is the simple path still enough, or is there merit in a more complex approach?

 

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Mike (2:50): How can I coach friends who want to invest but don’t share the same level of interest or engagement?

I’m 52, about 80 percent of the way to financial independence after 15 years of intentional living. I work as a helicopter pilot, but I’ve also developed a passion for personal finance. I like helping friends and family learn how to spend less, invest wisely, and create more freedom in their lives.

I have a friend who’s 45, married with two kids—one in college, the other in high school. She and her husband don’t want to work forever, but they live financially separate lives. They split rent, food, and bills through a joint account, but everything else stays separate.

He earns about twice what she does, and from what I’ve heard, everything they’ve saved is just sitting in a money market or high-yield savings account. They’re not investing, so there’s no real growth. She’s open to learning, but he’s not very interested. They’re also nervous about stock market crashes.

She’s willing to talk, but without his engagement I’m not sure how far this can go. And since they’re in their mid-40s, time isn’t really on their side. What advice would you give to help them—or to help me coach them—so they can start moving forward?


Michael (26:22): When will market returns start to matter more than my savings rate in growing my net worth?

At the end of every month, I write down my net worth and track it on a running graph. After doing this for about two years, I’ve noticed the biggest driver of change month-to-month is simply how much money I put in. The trend is still very linear—if I save X amount, my net worth goes up by X amount.

I’m wondering when market returns will begin to play a bigger role, so that growth looks more exponential instead of just a straight line. 


Alvaro (34:00): Should I build an ADU with a commercial loan for Airbnb income, or add onto our existing home with personal financing?

I’ve been a real estate investor for 15 years in both the U.S. and Europe, and I find the U.S. has many tax advantages. We own a home in Maine in a great location near the ocean. It comes with an acre of land, and we’ve been remodeling it for our own use.

I’m torn between two options. One is to build an ADU, financed with a commercial loan, and rent it out on Airbnb to generate income—while also using it for family. The other option is to add bedrooms onto our existing house to make it more suitable as our family grows. But that would require personal financing, like a mortgage or loan. Our HELOC is already maxed out, so that’s not available.

I’m debating whether to wait, refinance other properties, and add to our existing home—or take advantage of a commercial loan and build the ADU. What’s the more financially savvy move right now: increase our personal loans or pursue the commercial route?


Jonathan (58:50): Has Joe changed his mind about the efficient frontier after recent discussions with Big ERN, Paul Merriman, and JL Collins?

I’ve been thinking a lot about your conversation with Joe on the efficient frontier, along with your later episodes featuring Big ERN, Paul Merriman, and JL Collins. Joe often says JL Collins promotes the simple path to wealth, but then notes it might be worth shifting to a two- or four-fund approach—something Collins himself wouldn’t recommend.

That has me wondering: has Joe changed his mind about the efficient frontier and how applicable it is for most DIY investors? He’s said before that he’s open to changing his views if smarter people challenge him, and he’s even called Big ERN one of those people. I’d love to hear whether his thinking has shifted in light of those recent discussions.

 

Resources Mentioned:

Interview with JL Collins on Youtube and our website
Interview with Karsten Jeske (Big ERN) on Youtube and our website
Interview with Paul Merriman on Youtube and our website

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The other evening, I went to a school reception held for parents and alumni who donated at least a certain amount in the calendar school year. It was a warm, intimate gathering where I mingled with other parents, shared stories, and listened to the head of school and a couple of trustees talk about the importance of giving. The event was not only a thoughtful way to acknowledge contributors but also a chance to learn about new school initiatives.

As I stood there, I realized just how powerful the act of giving is. When you give, you become part of something bigger than yourself. You contribute to the collective well-being of a community. You see tangible evidence of your support in the smiling faces of children, in the opportunities created, and in the positive changes made possible.

Giving Feels Better Than Receiving

One of the main reasons Financial Samurai has remained free since its inception in July 2009 is because it feels incredible to help others solve their financial problems.

Over the past 16 years, I’ve received thousands of messages from readers who’ve built more wealth than they thought possible, found the courage to negotiate better jobs, or even retired early to pursue their passions. That, in itself, has been the greatest reward for me, far greater than any subscription fee or paywall could have provided.

But here’s the rub: when your household consists of dual unemployed parents, donating any significant amount of money can feel daunting. As I listened to the head of school thank the donors, I couldn’t help but wonder: can my wife and I really afford to donate another significant amount to the school next year?

Since our wealth isn’t unlimited, we also want to set aside a similar donation for the Pomeroy Rehabilitation Center, which supports individuals with injuries and disabilities. At the same time, we’re still about $30,000 a year short of reaching our ultimate passive income number.

The Delicate Balance Of Remaining Unemployed And Giving

When you are unemployed or FIRE, every dollar you give slightly increases your chances of having to go back to work or running out of money before you die. Giving while unemployed is, in many ways, an act of faith: faith that your investments will hold steady, faith that your expenses won’t balloon, and faith that your calculations about your safe withdrawal rate are correct.

Add in the responsibility of raising children in an uncertain world—especially one being reshaped by artificial intelligence—and the decision to give becomes even more complex. It’s not just about you anymore. It’s about ensuring your children have opportunities and will be safe.

We spend endless time debating safe withdrawal rates and the 4% Rule in personal finance circles. So when you give, that money really should come out of your withdrawal rate budget. If you’re nearing your safe limit yet still want to give, the prudent move is to trim your spending elsewhere. Otherwise, your generosity could come at the cost of your financial freedom.

And yet, even with all these considerations, the act of giving still calls to us. Why? Because the returns on giving—emotional, psychological, even spiritual—are often greater than anything you could get in the stock market.

Solutions To Giving When Unemployed

If you’re unemployed or FIRE, here are four solutions that can help you still give.

1) Replace your expenses

Because my wife and I donated X amount in 2025, we agreed to cut back on other expenses by the same amount. The easiest area to slash was travel. Renting a vacation home in Hawaii for five weeks would have cost us $16,000–$26,000, depending on size and location. Instead, we stayed with family, my parents for four weeks and my aunt’s beach home for one week, and saved the difference.

That savings went straight into remodeling my parents’ in-law unit. Was it the same as sipping mai tais on the lanai of a $26,000 rental? Not even close. But it still felt meaningful. By redirecting money we would have spent on lifestyle luxuries, we were able to both give to the school and help improve my parents’ property.

2) Earn side income to give away

If cash flow is tight, create income streams specifically earmarked for giving. I did a stint in a fintech startup but quickly realized it wasn’t for me. Afterward, I turned to personal finance consulting, helping individuals with one-on-one sessions. These not only promoted my book, Millionaire Milestones, but also generated extra income that I could donate.

Even a modest side hustle can fund meaningful donations. For someone who’s FIRE, this is an empowering way to stay engaged, sharpen skills, and still make a difference. My wife also contributes by donating her time at our children’s school, a reminder that giving isn’t always about money.

3) Donate appreciated investments

A tax-savvy way to give is by donating appreciated stock through a Donor-Advised Fund. You avoid capital gains taxes while the organization receives the full market value.

For example, suppose you bought Amazon stock for $10,000 a decade ago and it’s now worth $50,000. If you sold it, you’d owe over $13,000 in taxes if you live in California, leaving just $36,800 to donate. By donating the shares directly, the full $50,000 goes to the nonprofit, and you also receive a tax deduction. That’s a win-win.

This method is particularly attractive when you’re living off your portfolio. It allows you to be generous without putting additional strain on your withdrawal rate.

4) Donate your time

Finally, when money feels too tight, don’t discount the value of your time. In fact, time is often the most precious resource you can give. Volunteering at your child’s school, mentoring young professionals, or lending your expertise to a nonprofit board can create ripple effects far larger than a check ever could.

My wife is Girl Scouts troop leader at our school and is volunteering in various other ways as well. I see the greater purpose and joy she has by being more involved. She also gets to interact more with the teachers and school administrators.

I’ve noticed that the times I’ve felt most connected to my community weren’t necessarily when I wrote a donation check, but when I was physically present—meeting people, sharing knowledge, and helping solve problems in real time. Money supports causes. Time transforms them.

Practice The Mindset Of Giving

One downside of FIRE is that it can make you overly cautious and stingy. You’re so conditioned to preserve your nest egg that generosity feels risky.

If you feel you can only live off $30,000 a year and ride a bicycle, then there’s certainly not much room in your budget to give. But ironically, giving often multiplies your returns in ways you can’t predict.

Not only does it feel fulfilling, but it can also open doors you never saw coming—new friendships, opportunities, even investments.

A friend of mine once met a venture capitalist at a charity function. That connection led to an early-stage investment in Anthropic, which 12X’d in value in less than two years. Sure, that’s luck. But it’s luck that wouldn’t have happened without showing up, giving, and engaging.

The truth is, you never know who you might inspire—or who might one day lend a hand to you or your children. Maybe one of you readers will become a bigwig 15 years from now, and if my kids are ever struggling to find work, you’ll remember the value you got from Financial Samurai and give them a chance. That would be amazing.

You just never know.

The Ripple Effect Of Generosity

At the end of the day, the exact dollar amount doesn’t matter. What matters most is participation. Giving is a practice, just like investing. You may never feel like you have “enough,” but if you can find a way to give—even a little—you’ll almost always end up richer in spirit.

Generosity is also contagious. When others see you give, they’re inspired to give too. At the event, I learned some parents contributed multiple times more than we did. I felt awe at both their generosity and their good fortune. Their example reminded me that giving is a spectrum, and we all have a role to play.

Financial independence gives us freedom. But true wealth comes from using that freedom to help others. You don’t need to be a billionaire philanthropist to make a difference. You just have to show up, contribute what you can, and keep practicing the habit of generosity.

And that’s exactly what I plan to do—with both money and time—for the rest of my life.

Readers, what are your thoughts on continuing to donate money while unemployed or FIRE? Is it irresponsible if you already feel on edge financially, or is giving still worth prioritizing? How do you personally find ways to keep giving when your active income dries up or becomes minimal?

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The Upside of Grindcore Culture: Work Hard, Profit Harder http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/the-upside-of-grindcore-culture-work-hard-profit-harder/ http://livelaughlovedo.com/finance/the-upside-of-grindcore-culture-work-hard-profit-harder/#respond Fri, 19 Sep 2025 15:42:33 +0000 http://livelaughlovedo.com/2025/09/19/the-upside-of-grindcore-culture-work-hard-profit-harder/ [ad_1]

The grindcore culture is back and grindier than ever. At least that’s what Are Kharazian, an economist at fintech startup Ramp, says. (Disclosure: I’m an investor in Ramp through the Innovation Fund.) For those unfamiliar, Ramp is a corporate card company that makes doing expenses easier.

But here’s the fascinating part: according to Kharazian, usage of Ramp’s product spikes on Saturdays. Not at 9 a.m. when people are finishing their morning latte. But starting around noon and going all the way until midnight. Employees are buying Chipotle and other food items as they work.

Think about that. Twelve hours straight on a Saturday – hours normally reserved for tennis in the park, family lunch, or dinner and drinks with friends – are instead being logged into corporate systems. If that isn’t grindcore culture, I don’t know what is.

And it’s not happening everywhere in America, yet. Kharazian says Ramp doesn’t see the same behavior in New York, Miami, Austin, or Seattle. Nope. It’s happening only in San Francisco so far. He calls it the city’s version of “996,” a term popularized in China in the early 2010s to describe employees working from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week.

San Francisco may have its problems, but its work-hard-or-die-trying culture is alive and well. As a resident, I’m so proud!

San Francisco Grindcore culture is alive and well
Source: The Standard

Appreciating The Grindcore Culture Even With FIRE

Now, I know some of you who value “work-life balance” are probably grimacing right now. Why would anyone romanticize grindcore culture when life is meant to be enjoyed?

Here’s why: because I’ve lived it, and I know the rewards. It’s worth grinding until you can’t take it anymore. Because eventually, you will burn out. Remember, my goal is to help everybody achieve financial freedom sooner, rather than later with their one and only life.

I worked in finance from 1999 – 2012 while also going to b-school part-time for three years. During this window, I also helped kickstart the modern-day FIRE movement in 2009 with Financial Samurai so I could get the hell out. But in order to retire early, I had to consistently work 60+ hours a week to try and ascend. Then I hit a glass ceiling at age 34 where I had enough and could no longer make progress.

Grinding hard in your 20s and 30s while saving and investing aggressively is the single best way to set yourself up for freedom in your 40s and beyond. In other words, grindcore culture and FIRE go hand in hand.

I’ve been free from full-time employment for over 13 years now. My conclusion? The long hours and sacrifices were worth it. It’s not even close when compared to YOLOing in your 20s and then relying on your parents, as an adult. You rob them of their own financial freedom because you never figured out how to launch on your own.

Grind when you’re young. Because one day, your health, energy, and motivation will fade. To keep that edge alive later in life, you’ll even have to play tricks on yourself—like pretending you’re broke—just to get out of bed with the same fire.

Falling In Love With The Grind

Looking back on my archive of 2,500+ Financial Samurai posts, I realize I’ve been a grindcore believer since 2009. Some classics include:

I can feel some of you steaming right now. Why? The beauty of hard work is that it doesn’t last forever. Work intensely, save aggressively, invest wisely, and eventually, you’ll reap the benefits for years, if not decades.

At the time, it might feel punishing. But in retrospect, you’ll look back fondly. You’ll laugh at how you used to arrive before 6 a.m. and stay past 7 p.m. just to snag the free dinner perk. You’ll shake your head and wonder: How did I ever put in those hours and deal with being told what to do by people I despise for so long?

The answer is simple: purpose and necessity. When you don’t have money, don’t have status, and desperately want a better life, grinding feels natural. What other choice is there?

If you grind hard enough, there comes a point where your investments outpace your active income. Imagine a $1 million portfolio rising 23% in 2023, 22% in 2024, and another 10% in 2025. That’s a huge lift compared to earning $100,000 a year from your job. Now picture having $5 million or even $10+ million invested. The compounding effect becomes life-changing.

The flip side is that no matter how hard you work, you can’t shield your net worth from going negative during a downturn. Why? Because by then, your investments are doing the heavy lifting (and dropping). At this stage, work truly becomes optional.

Careful Listening To The Leisure Class

Don’t be fooled by the rich and privileged who already have it all and then preach about taking it easy. Some with multi-generational wealth love to virtue signal with what is sometimes called luxury beliefs.

It’s the trust-fund artist living in a $4 million SoHo loft telling everyone to “fight the power and screw capitalism.” Or the politician who praises socioeconomic diversity in public schools while quietly sending their own kids to a homogenous private school. Or the public company CEO who champions reformative justice and insists on letting 10X repeat offenders roam free, while living in a gated community with 24/7 private security.

Uh huh, sure. Go on now.

Always consider the incentives behind the message. If someone is already wealthy, their incentive to tell you to “chill out” is often self-serving. They’ve already extracted their pound of flesh from the system and now want to look virtuous while reducing competition.

So if you’re going to proclaim that hard work is overrated because you have a cushy trust fund job, and that health and happiness are everything, at least be transparent. Tell us your income, net worth, trust fund size, and how many nannies and housekeepers are on the payroll. Own your good fortune! Otherwise, your advice rings hollow.

Still Grinding After FIRE

Without grindcore culture, I would never have kept my streak of publishing three posts a week for ten straight years – from July 2009 to July 2019. Ten years is the amount of time I believe it takes to gain credibility in any field. But I did so because I made a promise, and I wanted to be productive during a highly uncertain time.

When the anniversary arrived, I told myself, Why stop? Like Forrest Gump, I just kept running, except in my case, writing. By then, the habit was ingrained. And habits, especially the grindy ones, die hard. I’m now 16 years in.

But here’s the reality check: my health isn’t what it used to be.

My left eye gets uncomfortably dry after two hours on the laptop or phone. If I keep staring at a screen, I develop headaches, especially when looking side to side. I’m literally closing my eyes right now as I type this. Even if I wanted to publish five days a week, I couldn’t. To preserve my vision, I should probably cut down to two.

Aging is humbling. At some point, all of us will face physical decline. And that’s when we’ll be grateful for the passive income streams we built during our prime.

The Solution: Profit From Other People’s Grind

So what do you do when you can’t grind as hard anymore?

You invest in companies and people who still can.

Take Amazon, Google, and Meta. When they forced employees back into the office in 2023, many tech workers revolted. “How dare you take away my flexibility!” they cried.

Me? I bought more stock. Management was signaling they valued grindcore productivity over cushy perks. Meanwhile, I trimmed exposure to companies that clung to a fully remote model because their leaders clearly wanted the easier lifestyle. That’s totally rational! But I also made the rational decision of investing my money elsewhere.

I’ve been writing from home since 2012. And let me tell you: during the pandemic, it was comically obvious how little some people were working. I’d play pickleball at 11 a.m. on a Tuesday and bump into software engineers “on a break” for three hours! At one point, I strongly considered taking a day job just to get paid to play like they were.

The lesson? Don’t invest in cushy cultures. Invest in the grinders. It’s your money. Allocate it wisely.

Careful, Work Ethic Fades The Richer You Get

Intelligence and connections matter, sure. But those are often innate or luck-based. Work ethic, however, is a choice.

As an investor, capital allocation is also a choice. If you can’t grind yourself, put your money into the people and companies who will. These are the ones who understand the race to market share is brutal, and they’ll outwork everyone to win.

The problem? Grindcore fades as you get older and wealthier. Spend a decade in Big Tech, pocket a few million, and suddenly your Friday meetings are from the slopes in Tahoe and your Monday calls from the links in the Hamptons. Productivity tanks. Shareholders lose.

The real edge is finding the insecure, status-hungry, slightly narcissistic founders and employees who still have something to prove. I had that fire right out of college, and many of us do. But some people are simply wired to push harder for longer than others.

These are the ones who keep grinding long after wealth should have made them soft. The catch? Over time, it gets harder to find people who would rather be in the office than at home with their kids.

Invest in Younger Companies and Hungrier Founders

The best bet may be to back younger, hungrier founders with nothing to lose and everything to gain. Private startups are where the grind is purest, survival demands it. These founders push themselves to make a name so they don’t have to work this hard forever, often fueled by an idealistic mission that keeps them going well past the breaking point.

Take Ramp, for example—a startup aiming to disrupt Visa, Mastercard, and Amex with better rewards and easier expense management. Their Saturday usage data shows customers working while others are relaxing. The founders themselves are in their early 30s, unmarried, and child-free – an ideal profile for heroic hours of focus.

That’s why a growing share of my capital is flowing into startups through venture capital funds. I want to invest in people with the capacity to grind 60+ hours a week without hesitation. For them, success isn’t optional, it’s survival.

Grind Now, Profit Later

The grindcore culture isn’t for everyone. It’s exhausting, sometimes unhealthy, and often ridiculed by those who prefer balance. But if you embrace it early in your career—when energy is high and responsibilities are lower—you can buy yourself decades of freedom later.

When your body inevitably slows down, you don’t have to abandon grindcore altogether. You can profit from it by investing in those who still have the fire. Because no matter how much the world talks about balance, the biggest wins still go to the hungriest players.

If you’re not already wealthy, grind now so you can enjoy the grind later, even if only vicariously through your portfolio. But if you’re happy with your life and finances, then don’t grind. Embrace the work-life balance you value. Just stay consistent, and resist complaining or growing envious when others pull ahead due to their stronger work ethic.

Readers, what are your thoughts on grindcore culture? Why is there such a strong emphasis on labeling it as unhealthy, when working hard and investing aggressively can set you up for a far better life down the road? By pushing work-life balance so strongly, are we serving younger adults—or holding them back?

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If you want to FIRE, one of my regrets was pulling the ripcord too early at age 34 in 2012. Even though I started writing about FIRE in 2009 with the launch of Financial Samurai—trying to uncover as many blind spots as possible before taking the leap—I still feel like I made a mistake. In hindsight, I should have worked at least five more years until age 39, or even 40 before retiring.

At the time, I didn’t know I’d have a kid five years later, let alone two. Fast forward more than a decade, and with tremendous inflation, skyrocketing college costs, and never-ending healthcare expenses, the squeeze is real. If I had worked a few more years, I probably could have generated at least $60,000 more in passive income into perpetuity.

Although I’m confident I’ll build enough wealth so my two children will never go hungry, I’m not certain I’ll ever reach true multi-generational wealth. To me, that means having enough so that three generations—my family, my children’s families, and my grandchildren’s families—would never have to work soul-sucking jobs to survive.

Multi-Generational Wealth Is Not Necessary (But It’s Nice To Have)

Of course, multi-generational wealth isn’t a necessity. Neither is the need to Fat FIRE. Our baseline expectation should be that our children grow up, achieve financial independence, and learn to take care of themselves.

But after living in San Francisco for 25 years, I’ve seen the opposite play out repeatedly. Every single neighbor I’ve ever had either still has an adult son living at home, or the son lives in a house purchased by his parents.

I’ve gotten to know many of these families. The sons all went to college and worked hard. Yet, despite their education, none of them could land jobs that paid enough to live independently with middle-class comfort. Instead, they’ve relied on ongoing financial support from their parents to make life in San Francisco work.

Given this reality, I’m pragmatic enough to expect that the same dynamic could affect my kids. The world is only getting more competitive, with AI threatening jobs and international students filling up top university spots at the expense of Americans. Getting ahead will become increasingly difficult for the next generation.

Hence, the solution: attempt to build multi-generational wealth.

If my children don’t end up needing financial support because they find well-paying jobs, build businesses, or otherwise thrive, then great. The extra wealth will simply serve as a cushion or be redirected to charity. But if they do need help, I’d rather already have that “insurance policy” in place than scramble later.

Other Reasons To Amass Multi-Generational Wealth

Here are some reasons why you may want to build multi-generational wealth beyond simply wanting to give your kids and grandkids a head start:

  • Severe disability or health challenges. You, your spouse, or your child may require extraordinary financial resources to maintain a decent quality of life—think 24/7 caretakers, modified vehicles for mobility, custom housing, or lifelong occupational therapy. A responsible parent’s worry is never ending.
  • Genetic risks. If you or your spouse carry recessive genes that could appear in future generations—causing loss of mobility, senses, or cognitive functioning—you might want to build a bigger financial safety net.
  • Historical inequities. You may come from a community that has been historically marginalized and denied equal opportunities. Even though progress has been made, you may not trust that your children and grandchildren will ever be given a fully fair shake. Generational wealth becomes both protection and empowerment.
  • The loud “provider’s clock.” Some people feel an unusually strong responsibility to take care of their family members. Maybe you were the first in your family to attend college, or you lucked into a life-changing opportunity like joining a startup before it IPO’d. Whatever the case, you feel compelled to leverage your luck into a lasting legacy.
  • Volatility of opportunity. Opportunities come and go, and not every generation will be fortunate enough to catch a financial tailwind. Future generations may face bigger systemic risks than we did. By building more than you personally need, you’re smoothing the path for your heirs when they face tougher times.
  • Philanthropic leverage. For some, it’s not just about family. A dynasty-level fortune allows you to create family foundations, endow scholarships, or shape institutions that last long after you’re gone.

Ultimately, the drive to build multi-generational wealth is usually not about greed. It’s often about love, protection, and creating optionality for the people who matter most.

The Math Behind Multi-Generational Wealth

Imagine a upper middle-class lifestyle for a family of four today costing $350,000 a year before taxes. In expensive cities like San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles, Settle, or Honolulu, this level of spending provides comfort, but it’s hardly extravagant once you factor in taxes, housing, childcare, education, and healthcare.

If you happen to live in a lower-cost city, feel free to adjust the numbers to better fit your situation. The country is vast, and the cost of living varies dramatically. This is simply a theoretical exercise to illustrate how much wealth might be needed to support three generations.

Supporting One Family Of Four Today

Using the 4% safe withdrawal rate, here’s how much capital is required: $350,000 ÷ 0.04 = $8,750,000

That means one family of four today needs $8.75 million in investable assets (not including primary residence) today to generate $350,000 in annual gross spending without depleting principal. If you want to build multi-generational wealth, the decumulation of principal is not the way.

In 20 Years (Next Generation)

Let’s assume each of this family’s two kids grows up, starts a family with two kids, and wants to maintain this same lifestyle. Using 3% annual inflation for 20 years: $350,000 × (1.03)˄20 ≈ $632,000

So what costs $350,000 today will cost about $632,000 a year in two decades.

At a 4% withdrawal rate: $632,000 ÷ 0.04 = $15,800,000

Each child will need about $15.8 million in invested capital to sustain a family of four in 20 years.

Total Required For This Family Of Four And Their Two Children’s Families Of Four

  • This family of four today: $8.75 million in investable assets
  • Child #1 in 20 years: $15.8 million in investable assets (assuming they are a family of four)
  • Child #2 in 20 years: $15.8 million in investable assets (assuming they are a family of four)

Grand total = $40.35 million.

And that’s assuming steady markets, no major financial shocks, and no lifestyle creep. To be safe, you’d want a 20–30% buffer, meaning the real target is closer to $50 million+.

In 40 Years (Grandchildren’s Families)

Now that we’ve got the two children’s families and the current family taken care of, it’s now time to think multi-generational and figure how how much we need to save and invest to take care of their grandchildren’s families. Let us assume each grandchild has two kids and a spouse of their own.

Using the same assumptions:

  • Base annual spending today: $350,000
  • Inflation: 3% per year
  • Timeline: 40 years

$350,000 × (1.03) ˄ 40 = $1,141,000

So by the time the grandchildren are adults, an upper middle-class family of four lifestyle could cost $1.14 million per year. Sounds kind of nuts! But the math doesn’t lie.

At a 4% withdrawal rate: $1,141,000 ÷ 0.04 = $28,525,000

Each grandchild’s family of four would therefore require $28.5 million in capital in the future to sustain themselves.

With four grandchildren, the total comes to: $28.5M × 4= $114 million.

The All-In Generational Number

  • Family today: $8.75M
  • 2 kids in 20 years: $31.6M
  • 4 grandchildren in 40 years: $114M

Grand total = $154.35 million.

Add a 20–30% safety buffer for market volatility, higher-than-expected inflation, or health/education shocks, and the real number pushes closer to $200 million.

Holy moly! Coming up with $154 – $200 million is a crazy amount of money. No wonder some high-income earning parents feel the angst of not being rich enough. Only CEOs, unicorn-startup founders, top athletes, or elite hedge fund managers or venture capitalists can amass that type of fortune.

So the sad reality is, even if you don’t FIRE and grind yourself into dust, you still probably won’t amass multi-generational wealth anyway. Hence, think carefully about sacrificing your life to try and achieve an unlikely goal.

Calculating The Amount Needed In Today’s Dollars

But here’s the good news: In this example, you don’t need to save and invest $154 – $200 million today. That figure represents the inflated future capital required to sustain everyone’s lifestyles. What really matters is how much you’d need to set aside in today’s dollars.

  • Family today: $8.75M to generate $350,000 a year in gross investment income at a 4% rate of return
  • Kids in 20 years (discounted back at 3%): $17.5M instead of $31.6M in the future
  • Grandkids in 40 years (discounted back at 3%): $35M instead of $114M in the future
  • Grand total = $61.25M instead of $154M in the future

Now, $61 million is still a monster sum, but it feels a lot more approachable than $154+ million. And that’s using a conservative 3% discount rate (equal to the assumed inflation rate).

It gets better when you assume a higher rate of return (discount rate):

Base amount needed today: $8.75 million (no need to discount this number)

Amount needed today based on various discount rates to take care of two more generations, 20 and 40 years in the future:

  • 3% (inflation only, base case): ~$52.5M ($61.25M total minus the $8.75M you need today)
  • 4% (inflation + 1% real growth): ~$44.7M
  • 5% (inflation + 2% real growth): ~$31.9M
  • 6% (inflation + 3% real growth): ~$27.6M
  • 7% (inflation + 4% real growth): ~$21.6M
  • 8% (inflation + 5% real growth): ~$18.9M
  • 9% (inflation + 6% real growth): ~$15.5M
  • 10% (inflation + 7% real growth): ~$13.8M
  • 11% (inflation + 8% real growth): ~$12.1M
  • 12% (inflation + 9% real growth): ~$11.3M

Although $20.05 ($11.3 + $8.75 needed today) to $61 ($52.5 + 8.75 needed today) million is still an enormous sum, it’s far easier to wrap your head around than $154 million.

Generating a 5%–8% annual rate of return is quite reasonable. 20-year Treasury bonds yield about 5% risk-free, while stocks have historically returned around 10% per year. My venture capital investments in private AI companies could potentially generate even higher returns.

Amounted needed in Today's dollars vs. Discount rate for building multi-generational wealth

Working Obviously Helps Increase Your Chances

If you want to build multi-generational wealth by continuing to work, each year of saving and investing will further strengthen your returns. For instance, saving and investing $87,500 in a single year would raise a base of $8.75 million by 1%. That 1% boost can either accelerate your path to the target or provide a valuable buffer during downturns.

Think about this type of calculation as a Coast FIRE calculation for multi-generational wealth creation. You don’t need all the money today. Instead, you need enough money to grow at a reasonable rate of return beyond your consumption rate to support your future indefinitely.

How To Run Your Own Multi-Generational Wealth Calculation

If you’d like to stress-test your own plan, here’s a framework:

  1. Start with your desired annual household expenses today.
    Example: $X per year for your current family size.
  2. Estimate your children’s timeline to adulthood.
    How many years until your kids have families of their own? Call this N years.
  3. Apply an inflation assumption.
    Multiply today’s expenses by (1+i)N(1+i)N, where i = inflation rate.
    • Conservative: 2%
    • Realistic: 3%
    • Pessimistic: 4%+
  4. Apply the safe withdrawal rate.
    Divide the inflated annual expense by 0.04 (or your preferred rate). This gives the capital required for one family.
  5. Multiply by the number of families you want to support.
    For example, two kids who each have two kids = six families total (including your own).
  6. Discount back to today’s dollars.
    Use a discount rate that blends inflation and expected returns:
    • 3% = inflation only (very conservative, “real dollars”)
    • 5% = inflation + 2% real return (reasonable base case)
    • 7–9% = higher real returns (optimistic, but still possible)
  7. Add a buffer.
    Because nothing ever goes perfectly, tack on 20–30% to your target.
  8. Come up with a realistic number more years you’re willing to work.

This framework lets you plug in your own numbers. If your annual expenses are $80,000 in a lower-cost city, your target will be much smaller. If you think inflation will run hotter than 3%, your target will balloon.

The Most Realistic Way To Build Multi-Generational Wealth

Now that we’ve run the numbers, let me share the most straightforward way of building multi-generational wealth: real estate.

Once you’ve gone “neutral real estate” by owning your primary residence, aim to buy at least one rental property per child. Ideally, you purchase one when they’re born or even years before, giving yourself more time to pay down the mortgage and let the property appreciate as your child grows into adulthood.

The next step is to acquire additional rental properties based on the realistic number of grandchildren you expect. Since the average family has about two children, you can multiply the number of kids you have by two to set this new goal.

With affordable housing locked in, life gets much easier. If you can reduce your housing expense to 10% or less of your income, financial freedom becomes almost inevitable. After all, food, clothing, and shelter are relatively inexpensive compared to housing costs. Here’s my housing expense guideline for financial independence if you want to get more in the details.

Over a lifetime of saving, investing in other risk assets like stocks, and paying off multiple mortgages with leveraged gains, you’ll give yourself a strong chance of creating multi-generational wealth. And even if you fall short, you’ll still leave behind the most important foundation: paid-off shelter so your children and grandchildren will always have a roof over their heads.

Reconciling FIRE With Legacy Building

This is the hard truth: FIRE and multi-generational wealth are competing goals. FIRE is about quitting early to maximize your time. Multi-generational wealth is about working longer and compounding capital across decades.

You can’t maximize both at once unless you’re an ultra-high earner or build a billion-dollar company. For the rest of us, the trade-off is clear:

  • Retire early, and you cap your wealth potential.
  • Work longer, and you expand your wealth potential but sacrifice time freedom.

I’ve made peace with the fact that I may never hit multi-generational wealth to fully fund my grandchildren’s futures. And that’s OK.

My first job is to provide for my kids and raise them to be financially independent. If I can also build a cushion for my grandchildren, wonderful. If not, I’ll leave behind values like hard work, frugality, and investing – traits that may end up being more valuable than money itself.

After going through this exercise, I’ve realized there’s no way I’d be willing to work another 20 to 30 years just to build multi-generational wealth for my grandchildren’s family. I’ll leave that responsibility for my kids, if that’s what they want to do.

Final Takeaway

FIRE may make building multi-generational wealth impossible. But that doesn’t mean FIRE is a mistake. It just means you need to be clear-eyed about the trade-offs. Retiring too early cuts off the compounding engine that dynasties rely on.

The best we can do is strike a balance: build enough wealth to enjoy freedom today, while still setting up a foundation for the next generation. Anything beyond that is gravy.

Readers, what assumptions do you use for inflation, investment returns, and spending in your financial independence calculations? Do you think about building multi-generational wealth, or do you believe kids should be fully on their own? Why do you think people get upset at others for running financial simulations to see how much wealth they can build over a lifetime?

If you see any math or logic errors with my above calculations, please feel free to point them out and I’ll correct them.

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